This
interview with Mario appeared in the The
Soul of the American Actor
Playwright
and Drama Critic, Mr. Fratti was born in Italy but has lived in New
York since 1963. Most of his plays have been published in 19 languages
and have played in over 600 theatres. They include The Academy, The
Gift, Eleonora Duse, The Victim, Che Guevara, Betrayals, Seducers,
The Cage, Waiting, The Refrigerators, The Coffin, Six Passionate Women,
The Third Daughter, Birthday, The Piggy Bank, The Suicide, A.I.D.S.,
The Colonel's Wife, and the musical Nine (his adaptation of Fellini's
film 8 ½), which won eight Drama Desk Awards and five Tony
Awards, and will be revived on Broadway this coming season. He has
taught at Adelphi University, Hunter College, New School for Social
Research, Columbia, and Hofstra. Mr. Fratti is the recipient of the
Leone di San Marco Literary Award, Eugene O'Neill Award, the Outer
Critics Circle Award, and the Richard Rodgers Award. His newest play,
Erotic Adventures in Venice was recently performed at La MaMa ETC.
A Festival of Mr. Fratti's plays (Porno, Sincerity, Originality, Leningrad,
Castration) and an exhibit of 200 posters of his plays was held this
past Spring in Italy.
RR: You've written quite a lot of plays.
Yes, many. Chekhov was once asked: "Why do you write so many
short stories? His answer was "Because I have many songs to sing
and I want to sing them all." My answer is the same. When I have
something to say, I write a play.
RR: Your latest play in New York was Erotic Adventures in Venice.
What inspired you to write this particular play at this time?
It is about the corruption in Italy. For forty years the Christian
Democrats robbed Italy blind. They are replaced now by Berlusconi
and his new party. He controls the media - four television stations,
and most of the publishing houses and newspapers in Italy. It is a
huge scandal in Europe. It's the same people, but with more power
than before.
RR: Do you consider your plays political plays?
Some of them deal with political issues. I admire playwrights like
Aristophanes, Clifford Odets, Lillian Hellman, Maxwell Anderson, Arthur
Miller, David Mamet, Tony Kushner, Bertolt Brecht. They deal with
important issues. The best play on Broadway this season is The Crucible.
It is back because there is a new fear of McCarthism.
RR: Are your plays also autobiographical?
All plays are one third autobiographical, one third history, one third
imagination.
RR: As you began to become more successful as a writer, how were
you able to deal with the seduction of power?
I
do not write for a desire of "power," I write to communicate.
And when I reached financial freedom, I felt freer, able to say whatever
I want. That's the only power I like.
RR: How does theatre change society, its people?
By revealing the intimate dreams of people who are not free, the victims
of society.
RR: What role does "hope" play in such a violent world?
I believe in man, notwithstanding man and his many crimes. I am an
optimist. We must keep communicating, explaining, illuminating our
fellow man. And, as Pirandello and Miller often said, there must be
a spark of hope in each play. At least one character must be positive,
must believe in life, in the possibility of improving society.
RR: Was it your parents that lead you to 'believe in man,' while
knowing how imperfect man is?
My father worked hard to feed my family. I read constantly, French
and Italian literature, especially Emile Zola. I was influenced by
him and by the poets Nazim Hikmet and Bertolt Brecht.
RR: Pirandello wrote that we all wear a mask. Are we all hiding
behind a mask?
Often. Some weak people must lie to survive. Emmanuel Kant suggested
that we must always tell the truth, but sometimes we can be "silent,"
ignoring truths that may hurt. My father was a union man. Sometimes
he had to compromise, to use only partial truths to protect his fellow-workers.
I understand him. He had to survive; he had to feed a family.
RR: You were born in Italy. What kind of a challenge was it for
you to write in English?
I studied many languages in Italy. I fell in love with English. It
is monosyllabic, and perfect for drama. I moved to New York in 1963.
I keep readings good plays and novels constantly to improve every
day.
RR: Are you a believer in destiny?
Absolutely not. We make our own destiny. I started as a poet. I felt
I was not a good poet. Then I discovered the power of dialogue. There
were many literary contests in Italy, I won 33 of them. I felt "I
had to choose my own destiny." Theatre for ever. I write plays,
I teach playwriting, I am a drama critic. It is so wonderful to discover
new plays, new playwrights.
RR: You've seen American theater change quite a lot since the 60's.
What can the artist do to insure the theatre is a place of discovery
and surprise?
There are many problems in this society. The media often ignores or
hides them. We must stress what is hidden, avoided. We must delve
into the tragedy of loneliness, despair, where there is a lack of
faith. We must help in improving the world. Man must feel he is not
alone. The theatre is also a rite of being together, feeling the joy
of companionship
RR: Are you a religious person?
Once I apologized to a priest for never going to church. He told me
something I have never forgotten: "You're more religious than
most people. You believe in man, you write about man, you give all
of us a message of love and optimism."
RR: Do you believe in God?
I am a pantheist. God is in every plant, in every animal, in each
one of us. I don't believe in an old all-powerful Deity that sends
us to Heaven or to Hell. By the way, I was in Rome when Pope John
Paul II said publicly: "Forget the popular notion of actual physical
places - fluffy clouds above, an inky ferno below. Think of Hell as
a state of mind, a self-willed exile from God."
RR: Is man growing up?
In some countries freedom is increasing. In some countries it is diminishing.
The power of the media is overwhelming. They can brainwash anybody,
making him believe he is free.
RR: How did your musical Nine come into being and are you pleased
its returning to Broadway with Antonio Banderas?
Very pleased. My friend Ed Kleban, ( who wrote A Chorus Line), wrote
the music for my play, The Refrigerators. He then wanted me to hear
some other songs written by his young friend, Maury Yeston. I listened
to three incredible songs (they are still in the show), and I accepted
immediately to work on a new musical with them. We decided to choose
the life of Federico Fellini (from the film 8½). Maury loved
the name I chose for the protagonist (Guido Contini - a combination
of Visconti and Fellini). We worked almost seven years on the project
and won the Richard Rodgers Award and the O'Neill Selection Award.
In Connecticut, at the O'Neill Theatre Center, we were given the chance
to work with Broadway stars. We learned a great deal and improved
the musical. I proposed it to Tommy Tune and invited him to direct
it. He loved the project and we started rehearsals. Tommy then invited
Arthur Kopit to work on Nine, so it is really the work of four people,
and we're all very proud of it.
RR: It appears easier to attract people to musicals. How can we
attract them to dramatic plays?
We must stimulate the minds of the spectators by being "unpredictable."
Pirandello said: "My dream is to have an audience who will discuss
my plays for fifteen minutes after they leave the theatre."